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$25 (bike) vs. $50 (car) fine? Gotta love that logic, given the mass and speed differential between a car and a bike: so let's see, the potential harm a car can do in a collision/accident has been assigned a "value" that is only twice that of a bicycle--the message? Running a red light in a car is only twice as bad as running it on a bicycle.

As for the "stupid" acts of riding in the wrong direction or without lights at night, well, that should be left up to the cyclist, as should the decision to wear or forego a helmet. One could argue that having no or only one rim brake on a fixie is stupid and start fining accordingly. Thankfully, better thinking won out on that last issue and it appears to have been put to rest, at least for now.

I have to disagree with the idea that a cyclist should be happy to take his/her ticketing lumps as long as motorists do. Why does it have to be both or none? Cars and bikes ARE different, and I think they should be treated that way. The advantages over cars we cyclists have and MAKE (chiefly freedom--to move wherever, whenever, and however) should serve as incentives to leave the car at home and take the bike—they do for me, anyway . It’s the same with pedestrians. Why wait at an empty intersection for a walk signal to tell you when to cross when you have your own senses—because a law that professes to protect you tells you to? (And things like walk signals can do more harm than good; I can’t count how many times I’ve seen people immediately step off the curb without looking, straight into the path of a car that ran a red—or even one that just made a turn at an intersection—simply because a box on a pole “told” them it was okay to cross).

Well at least they got the amount of the bicycle ticket right. Last year there were reports of cyclists getting $75 fines for blowing stop signs.

From the DC Municipal Regulations:
2602.1 The following civil infractions and their respective fines set forth in this section refer
to bicycles and the operation of bicycles. The fine for any bicycle violation not listed
in this section is twenty-five dollars ($25.00).

Well, you're not going to get any argument from me about bikes and cars being different and should be treated as such. I support changing the laws where appropriate, but in the interim it will probably be both or none. Both is probably better for cyclists than none.

I am not, however, ok with the "freedom" and "choice" for cyclists to not wear lights at night. No more so than I'm Ok with drivers having the freedom to not use headlights at night. There's absolutely no downside to wearing lights and it saves lives. Though I think the public is better served when non-light using cyclists are given lights instead of tickets.

Helmets are another issue. If they prove as useful as seat belts I might change my tune, but for now I think there's a lack of overwhelming evidence as to there efficacy. Still, I always wear one.

The incompetence of some of our local bikeway planners and traffic engineers is appalling. Bike lanes are clearly inappropriate in all traffic circles, and the DC traffic engineer who signed off on the Thomas Circle bike lanes should be fired for professional malpractice. Similarly, DDOT has disrespected the travel rights of cyclists by needlessly and illegally banning us from the Massachusetts Ave tunnel under Thomas Circle. Finally, I have repeatedly notified MWCOG staff about the cycling misinformation this agency disseminates, but it just gets repeated in new publications.
Besides NOT riding to the "right of traffic" when traveling at about the same speed or when the lane is too narrow to share laterally, riding "about a car door width away from parked cars" is a recipe for a potentially fatal dooring crash.

Allen --

Do you have contact information for MWCOG? I would like to send them a note on this as well. Sometimes multiple voices have a better chance of getting an audience.

I agree with you on bike lanes in traffic circles, and I've written to DDOT about it before. (I've also bitched about it on this blog. I think they're trying to handle it as best they can, but I still think the lanes shouldn't be in the circle to begin with. (See my comments from my cycling team's blog here: http://www.racingunion.org/CommentView,guid,5ad9319e-fcb0-4881-8b10-220e16b76256.aspx)

Regarding lights, at the very least, in the city, I think people ought to have the little "blinky" lights in back. I use a headlight on my bike as well, though in city streets, it sometimes seems slightly less necessary. But, speaking of lights, does anyone notice the large number of cars who don't use headlights in the dark when driving in the city? It surprises me a little ...


Hmm, you say:

"Well, you're not going to get any argument from me about bikes and cars being different and should be treated as such"...

but then align the two:

"I am not, however, ok with the "freedom" and "choice" for cyclists to not wear lights at night. No more so than I'm Ok with drivers having the freedom to not use headlights at night."

I think it's the same argument; bikes and cars are different and shouldn't be held to the same standards. Complicating the issue is the fact that no definition of a "light" has been proffered. Will the tiny Nog Frog blinky on my head tube preclude me from ticketing?...should it? Does it make me safe from night time collisions or just safe from night time ticketing?

Rather than what's legal or not, I'm thinking about what makes sense. I know - just from how I've seen motorized vehicles react - that I'm more visible when I have even a little blinky light. I don't know if such a thing is enough to prevent from getting ticketed, but I do know that it provides some small level of safety that's likely worthwhile. I'm fairly convinced that the only reason I'd get ticketed by the police for riding my bike is if there were some other factors involved (such as if I did something blantantly illegal that the police couldn't overlook or the police don't like cyclists).

Bikes and cars shouldn't be held to the same technical standards, but they should be held to the same standard of safety.

So in this case, both should be visible to others at night (hence the blinky lights). But bikes don't need headlights (that was poor choice on my part) the same way cars do, because there isn't the same possibility to outride your vision [though a powerful front headlight might be needed by some].

I think the blinky light - or anything that increases visibility - helps to make one safe from night time collisions.

More importantly it makes it less likely a pedestrian will step in front of you. I break it down like this, if all a safety device does is improve your safety, then it shouldn't be required. But if it improves the safety of others, then it becomes something different.

I've never before heard someone advocate for the right not to use lights at night!

I try to be so lit up at night that motorists are scratching their heads and wondering what kind of aircraft has landed on the road ahead of them. My experience is that motorists treat a well-lit cyclist quite well. In fact, with good lights I prefer riding at night because the motorists are gentler.

And there are standards for lights:
"1204.2 Each bicycle, when in use at night, shall be equipped with a lamp on the front which shall emit a white light visible from a distance of at least five hundred feet (500 ft.) to the front and with a red reflector on the rear of a type approved
by the Director which shall be visible from all distances from fifty feet (50 ft.) to three hundred feet (300 ft.) to the rear when directly in front of upper beams of head lamps on a motor vehicle." (DCMR)

Alas, these standards are pretty meaningless as standards, and cyclists have the burden that they vary from state to state, but they do exist.

It occurs to me, in the city at least, a headlight on a bike is more about being seen then to see.

This program would be fine, if the police were held to the same standard as the rest of us. Yesterday I observed a MSP cruiser rolling down the highway unattended, while the man in the driver's seat was busy with a cell phone in one hand, and working on his in-car computer with the other hand (and eyes). Had this guy gotten into a crash, it would have been spun into an incident of the "civilian" failing to yield, or some such. And had he been unfortunate enough to have gotten himself killed, his "hero's" funeral procession would have created yet another pointless traffic jam, and left all the neighboring police jurisdictions short-staffed for the duration.

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